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 By Michael Miller

01/14/2006  4:54PM

A catbird is an American mimic bird. Its characteristics evolved into conversational slang, an idiom or description of something else like the catbird seat. The bird is allied to the thrush and less perfect in its imitative qualities than the mocking bird. Its name comes from a cry of alarm that resembles the mewing of a cat. Its song is voluble, varied and musical. It eats bugs. Hmm
 By Rae Bell

01/14/2006  3:58PM

What is a "cat-bird" Rick? :-)

Snow in Alleghany today. Finally.
 By Rick

01/13/2006  8:35PM


Great question, pending whether the value of gold is measured in what it's worth once it's found and sold, or whether the value is based upon the dream of the chase.

Two different things for sure.

Unfortunately, the dream is compromised by the reality of value. Ask those in Dawson who were looking for an orange and never found one.

Of course, gfxgold is speaking about the value of the precious metal Au. When it's a business, it's a good thing to find gold, not talk about it, or what will happen when someone else does, better to be right there in the Cat-Bird's seat when we do.
 By gfxgold

01/13/2006  5:17PM

As gold hits new high's that haven't been seen in twenty five years, you may have asked yourself, "What's gold really worth?" Here's an interesting article for you to peruse, go to: http://www.kitco.com/ind/Hamilton/jan132006.html
 By smithsgold

12/19/2005  6:35PM

I have Dial up and the video was well worth the wait.
I had the hole family come in and watch the video clip they all enjoyed it alot.

12/15/2005  1:54PM

Thanks, gfxgold for telling us how to see the newcast. You scooped scoop.
 By gfxgold

12/14/2005  10:43PM

It's nice to see some news about gold mining that wasn't twisted around. Just a good story about miners underground, gold and some future plans if all goes well. If you would like to see the story, go to: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/index?section=news&id=3293874#
and click on: Gold Mines Still Operate Within Sierras (12/14).
 By TominGV

09/03/2005  10:28PM

Hello again I wanted to add a few salient points-- we are across 49 a half mile from the old Allison Ranch/Forest Springs mining district. The closest mines to us were the Norambagua, Shamrock Lode, General Grant, Daisy King, Amador and Amanda. Just south of the Grass Valley Mining District. There once was plenty of hardrock activity up here, some as late as 1921-22.
Don't know if any of them were considered producers, but we are sitting on granodiorite outcroppings, it pokes up above my driveway. Several of the mining claims I have say there were shafts up to 1500 feet long running approx. NE-SW, that sound right?
 By TominGV

09/03/2005  10:16PM

Hello sorry for interrupting the thread. The noises continue, however no blasting ahakes for some time. Voices, both female and male are heard below, but are too indistinct and low volume to record, I tried with first rate equipt. I found out a lot since my last message; namely that our house rests on an old mine cut, there are 6 mining claims on our deed and I found copies of them at the county offices.
There were at least 3 shafts in the area, one of which is shown on my older 70's topo map. My driveway sits on huge boulders that were blasted out and show drill marks. I have drills, wedges and other tools that show my place was somehow involved with hard rock mining.
Mike may be right, maybe they are using the old tunnels and adits for making drugs, we do smell very odd smells late at night sometimes which are very chemical smelling and there's too much traffic in the area.
The noises have simmered down a lot since the publication in the paper of a police report.
Maybe the druggies got scared off, we hope.
ONCE on the internet I came across a lone reference to a book someone in Nevada City had written, about a secret society living in all the old abandoned gold mines under GV and NC, which I thought was a very creative idea, anybody know the name of this book? I have never run across the reference to it again. Thanks to all who took an interest!
 By Rick

08/15/2005  10:11PM

Hey RyanBaum,

The message below yours speaks directly to one of the most important issues facing our Mine, one that was presented to us at the shareholder's meeting, that being the current status of the ongoing battle between the rogue CDAA and us, as shareholders.

It's best to keep Mike Miller's entry as President of OAu remain on topic, please. (Start a new inquiry for your other concerns.)

Here's my response, on topic: M vs Madison is the least studied reality check to the issue of constitutional authority, and the respective roll of an interptetive supreme court; judging law as written rather than law as re-written within the confines of the discussion.
 By RyanBaum

08/14/2005  9:17PM

Any update on the proposed private placement of shares to help fund an expansion of the mine?

I wasn't able to make this year's meeting in June but thought an announcement was to follow?
 By Nose For Gold

06/21/2005  10:14PM

Rae: When I say the new road, I called the Forest Service in Camptonville and they told me they constructed it. This is after the Brush Creek road that washed out.
 By Rae Bell

06/20/2005  8:33AM

Nose for Gold, where did you get this info? I know Brush Creek put a new road in there when they had it, but the Forest Service?
 By Nose For Gold

06/18/2005  1:35PM

At the Carson mine, the US Forest Service built a new road into the property so employees could remove ore cars, sell them and pocket the money.
 By Michael Miller

06/18/2005  12:52PM

Gfxgold, were you expecting a response from TominGV? I was. You must have severed his thread. It is disappointing that he never continued his topic. Grass Valley and environs also house wide spread “meth” users, a very dangerous illegal drug. Having witnessed first hand its effects in Alleghany, I will bet the noisemakers in the late night time hours are not gold miners but drug users. It could not be a Tommy knocker. Tommy knockers are considerate chaps. If they were working late at night, no one would be disturbed.

Other than our crew and a few scattered operations, there are no active miners left in the Grass Valley area. TominGV is likely a ‘newbee” to the area or the world of hard rock mining as practiced in the Sierra Nevada. Like so many well-meaning people who have migrated into the gold country of California, his perception of what it takes to find gold is pitifully lacking truth. Mining ranks with the world’s most intense blue-collar jobs. It requires a complex variety of talent, knowledge, equipment and money. If the noisemakers are gold miners, they are hopeless dreamers and will quickly discontinue their activities.

So, TominGV, where is your credible thread. This topic is headed for the Misc. file. I’m sure Gfxgold, Bluejay, Nose for Gold, Rick, Auriferous and others are interested in your views of the nighttime underground miners of Grass Valley. Two points: The bat reference is for real. I have worked at the Sierra County Park called the Kentucky Mine. The bat population was a factor to consider. In the Plumas Eureka State Park bat habitat was also a factor. There is a foam product that seals abandoned portals. I agree with Gfxgold: fix the safety issue but don’t destroy the asset. A while ago I reported that current USGS maps have eliminated the pick and shovel designation for mines. Is this another aspect of reducing the American’s knowledge of our natural resources?

If you really want to know who has been ripping off and destroying the mining artifacts and culture in the Sierra Nevada gold belt, look no further than the United States Forest Service. Working out of Nevada City and Camptonville, the top management is leading the cultural rural cleansing campaign. Ignoring federal law (the Antiquities Act) forest service employees have been loading their green trucks with iron, important iron, and hauling it away. Many times it goes to private parties or is sold. What a shame! What a loss!
 By gfxgold

06/09/2005  9:51PM

TominGV, Of course, trespassing on private property or mining claims is frowned upon. If the police didn't find any evidence of wrong doing, then, some of the noises and voices that are reported may not be from living people. Mining areas are known to have unexplained noises and voices.
As for closing mine portals... If you're having illegal mining, then you have to have a place to get rid of the bodies, THEN you close the portal. Just kidding (wink,wink).
Blasting a portal closed is a last resort!!! Should you need or want to reopen the mine... well, it's a pain in the butt if it's been blown shut. Also, old mines are viewed as an environmental gold mine (no pun intended) as bat habitat. Go to: http://www.batcon.org/mines/industry.html
Now, to recap each of your points. If it's someone elses property that is being hygraded (illegally mined) tell the property or mine owner and let them deal with it. However, they might be the ones who are doing the mining, in which case, we'll never hear from you again (gee, was that someone blowing a portal shut this late at night?). If the mine is open to being claimed, more power to'em. If it's just the noises that people are upset about, get a priest and have him pray for the lost souls in the tunnel and may they rest in peace. If you want to close some mine portals, Why use explosives that "Real Miners" need for their jobs. If I were you, I'd be collecting money to build bat friendly gates to close the portals... that is, if you really are trying to stop illegal mining and not just trying to stop mining.
 By TominGV

06/09/2005  1:44PM

I want to start a new thread here on the poaching that is going on in old mines throughout Nevada County. Once in a while in the Police Blotter, you will see mention of people hearing machinery noises, hammering, even groups of people talking or other symptoms that "seem" to come from beneath the ground, from people who live in the vicinity of old gold mines. As we know, Grass Valley and environs are literally riddled like Swiss Cheese with old mine tunnels.
I first want to find out how "real"/legitimate miners view this poaching and illegal or surreptitious mining activity?
Then I'd like to get into how, if it's going on in our area, to find and stop it. And, how to find the old portals so we can get them blasted closed.
Thanks to all.
 By Rick

05/21/2005  8:15PM

I'd check the crevices!
 By gfxgold

05/20/2005  5:13PM

Well, if that's true, that photo should go on my website.
 By Nose For Gold

05/20/2005  12:29PM

Soon there will be a photo of all the water washing through the Osceola mill.

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