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Water and Arsenic: which came first?


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 By bluejay

03/12/2010  8:57PM

Who are the employees of the the State Water Boards working for, themselves or the people?

As the State falls deeper and deeper into a federally supported unprecedented bankruptcy mode, it seems to be business as usual at the Central Water Board, subsidizing payroll checks for their mortgages, hopefully, from the collection of fines and penalties. Now with the blessings of Jerry Brown, an action is being brought against the mines's ownership.

We are not the first to be subjected to unreasonable requests from the Board. Barrick Gold's subsidiary, Homestake Mines, was brought in by them for being liable for the discharges of mercury into Sulphur Creek in Colusa County. The Board's rule book says that a passive migration constitutes a discharge that would make an owner or former owner responsible for clean-up.

Well boyz, you better go back to square one and start working forward from 1888 because you guys failed to consider the "real facts." Which is par for their course at the Board because they also ignored Jason Burke's submitted facts, as the responsible mining engineer, when they, again ignored, the truth.

On Sulphur Creek near the Elgin Mine is where the suspected discharge has been entering the waterway. Never mind, this is a past quicksilver mining area. Poor Barrick Gold had to send in one of their represenatives to state they only did minor exploration work and were never mining and were never owners. Seems like with all the guys at the State agency they could have figured this out for themselves. Did they think that a large company like Barrick was going to fall for some elementary school minded scheme to do someone else's possible clean-up work from over 100 years ago? Sorry boyz, go talk to any remnants left from the old California Onyx Company who was on the property back in 1888 or try and discover with a little research who operated the quicksilver mines back then.

Or since you guys like to put the screws to past producing gold mines for your needed money, why not try and figure out who now owns the old Clyde Mine in Colusa County?

Since the Water Board went after Barrick Gold why don't they show their brass balls again and go after some pharmaceutical companies who make all the chemicals that are ending up in our water supply and reducing everyone's immune system who drinks from the municipal system.

In an interview on the top trends forecaster in the world, Mr. Gerald Celente has stated that a new health hazzard has already arrived and he has labeled it the "Black Plague."

Isn't it interesting that while water boards exist in California that people like Gerald Celente say that our water quality is on the decline. What society is headed for, if people continue drinking chemically tainted water from drugs, in a complete immune system breakdown where bacteria and viruses will just shorten everyone's life.

Mr. Celente says, I'm not an imbecile and I don't believe for one minute what these white-coated scientist type actor types on TV say when they state that the small amount of chemicals in water won't effect your health.

Celente further states that important nutients are being washed away by unused chemicals that our bodies release thus entering the water eventually again which is as deadly as a nuclear blast. When crops are irrigated these same present chemicals just keep continuously being reintroduced into any living thing. The more time elapsed the bigger the build up and the greater is the continuing breakdown of your immune system.

It seems eventually that when the government of California falls apart so, too, will the highly over-paid tunnel visioned employees of the Central Water Board be sent packing as well.
 By Dave I.

03/06/2010  1:13AM

The letter I posted was rejected by the post master at the Sacramento Bee, so it did not get received by them.
Micheal Miller, when you go to court do you not have a right to a jury of your piers rather then the judge?
 By Dave I.

03/05/2010  6:36PM

Here is a copy of the letter I recently wrote the Sacramento Bee.

To The Sacramento Bee

Dear Editor, March 5, 2010

It is official “Moon Beam Brown” is in the run for Governor of California. He is leaving the Attorney General office where he has had a hand in letting the Indian tribes win their case to stop Gold dredging in our state by failing to defend the position of the Fish and Game. Also he won the case against the gold miners in federal court in their constitutional challenge against the State of California, for destroying the right of the miner to dredge for gold as a granted right per the 1872 mining law. He is also supporting government law suit litigation against existing mines for huge sums of money to bankrupt these existing mines to gain control of the resources. This is done by his support of the Water quality control board regulators. He knows how to get more money for the state with out raising taxes, He will just sue you for every thing you got. To enslave the bankrupt people of California to this debt they owe the state.
It was the gold of California that built this state, it is still a viable resource to continue in providing wealth, jobs, and the economic stimulus to turn our state back into the black. It was one of our states major resources that saved us in the last depression. So many people were mining for gold at the beginning of world war II, that the president of the United State shut it down to get folks to join the service to fight the war.
I think Jerry Brown is beholding to the Sierra Club and the Indian tribes for advancing there environmental concerns over the well being of our economy and our human survival.

Thank you

Dave I
 By Dave I.

03/05/2010  5:16PM

How did the AG depose you from your CEO position, or testify against you? Have you been to court as o yet.
 By Michael Miller

03/04/2010  10:20PM

What a surprise to see this old topic get a fresh entry. It started over eight years ago. It is an example of “living history”. And you readers are proof that some “living histories” are truly worth keeping alive or “living”.

I’m on my own time now. It is approaching the teens outside in Alleghany. Burr. This morning my thermometer sat at 18 degrees. This is California cold even at 4450 feet. I am on my own time, a distinction I made to the Attorney General, when he deposed me on March 3, in Sacramento. Once again that old Sixteen to One mining company and I find us defending ourselves from crime. After all, the AG has chosen to convict me along with the mine of awful crimes. Seems like we were here seven years ago, only Gayle Filter and his gang of lawyers who perjured the judicial system or worse, violated California laws for lawyers and took the role that is presently coming from the Attorney General. I wrote the former AG and asked him to investigate these lawbreakers. No investigation was forthcoming. Prosecute them should have been forthcoming. What ever happened to Gayle? That issue is dead.

This issue is alive.
Who will investigate decisions by the directors and management of the Water Board?
The Attorney General represents the water board and claims attorney/client privilege between himself and his client. How does this work in a transparent government?

The truth is what you say in a deposition, if you honor the judicial systems run by our States and the Federal Government. If a deposed person has no respect for the court system, say whatever makes for victory. Advice should you be deposed: Understand the question before you answer. Do not speculate. Stay on point with the question. Avoid responding to ambiguous questions. And answer truthfully. I raised my right hand and affirmed the administered oath, from this point on, to speak truthfully.

When I opened the Ideal Time for Facts topic tonight (because it was an entry I had not read), my mind felt a desire to reread the first entry dealing with the subjects of water and arsenic. Water and Arsenic: which came first? Is the topic that Rick wrote and initiated in December 2001. Please do the same and read it; go to the second page and scroll down to the entry that set this topic in motion. It is a great “living history”. You may want to continue the chronology of this topic right back to today.

I’ll be back in this topic later.
 By Rick

09/26/2009  7:21PM

Well, on the local level it's the EPA's derivitive, the political directive. Every scenario is a derivitive of the farce, that mankind is in charge of the planet.

Roundy rocks are in our river courses because rivers send rocks downstream especially when it rains.

You should go watch. The roundy boulders are the size of Volkswagons and even more, when the rivers deliver the reality and bounty of REALITY....

Humans ain't in charge.....
 By wlkirk

09/24/2009  12:31PM

Everything is poisonous, nothing is poisonous, it is all a matter of dose. -Bernard

How does the EPA decide how low water arsenic levels should be? It must be below the toxic level, but how did they decide just how low?
Is it the legal level different for the creek versus the mine?
 By Rick

09/10/2009  7:48PM

Chuck, nice stuff. Keep it up.

Interesting to note is the environmental mercury factor, often lost in the debate when gold mining takes its undue hit from the un-informed masses that hear the word "mining" and think of disasterous results from killer biproducts like arsenic and mercury.

I hear this disconnect often, especially when the Original Sixteen to One is grouped together with the toxic cyanic-recombination reaction leach field mines of the barren streams in Colorado and neighboring states. The Original Sixteen to One clean gold-mine encounters only water, quartz, associated minerals and a drill-bit...for the Orinal Sixteen to One, its been years since the milling process was used, and even back when it used the mill and when mercury was used in an regulated "green" way, it was only used in a completely regulated and documented closed retort system. (Now the mine only targets highgrade deposites, uses no mill, and therefor no other methods of recovery than metal detectors; no byproduct but clean water and sand.)

[For new readers, the former use of mercury in the mill-recovery-process is still "green" mercury was ever released into the environment; its recorded use is documented, regulated by Federal Mining Health and Safety ...and, for the record, all regulations were met.]

[Here's a small reminder of how mercury is used in gold recovery: when gold-quartz is crushed, mercury can be introduced as a "PacMan" gobbler until the mercury is saturated with the gold, since mercury in the liquid state attracts mico-gold particles, being of a higher specific gravity and in a liquid form at ambient temperature. Once the mercury is saturated, it can be retorted (this means heating it to a gas state, leaving the gold behind, while the mercury is re-captured into a closed environmental lab situation, then cooled back to its original volume as it returns from a gas to a liquid in the beaker; nothing released into the environment, all volume of mercury recycled.]

This wasn't always the case. Back in the 1800s gold-rush days, sleuce-boxes were lined with mercury and then the gold was recovered in open-flame mercury release systems, and unfortunately ignorance of the consequences resulted in the settling of mercury in the eastern California water-courses where it remains today.'s the kicker:

Where did the old miners get their mercury?

They found naturally occuring (environmental mercury) in the western foothills north of today's Lake Berryessa and continuing north into the volcanic regions of Clear Lake where the Gysers are today.

NATURALLY OCCURING MERCURY was mined there, and then introduced into the gold-rush eastern California streams in amounts never even used today, even in closed retort systems. Mercury has taken a bad hit as a toxic bad-guy, when it is one of the elements placed on this planet. And somehow, some "green" advocates haven't taken the time to understand this and continue to associate mining of gold with toxicity, then blame then entire concept. Ignorance on parade.

I am astonished to find how few people raising the "green-RED-flag" HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW NATURALLY OCCURING ELEMENTS OCCUR NATURALLY!

This is exactly what the Original Sixteen to One Mine is encountering with the CRWQCB's miss-understanding of naturally occuring arsenic above and below the mine in the occuance of arseno-pyrite within the quartz vein system.

Actually, I don't believe it is a miss-understanding. I believe it is an intentional misrepresentation of geologic fact, with the sole purpose of political blackmail.
 By Michael Miller

08/03/2009  12:39PM

I need your help in keeping the Sixteen to One mine operating because of draconian measures regarding water. The following should introduce you to one of the red herrings that has and will continue to damage our society. The article is longer than expected.

Arsenic is a semi-metal element in the periodic table. It is odorless and tasteless. It enters drinking water supplies from natural deposits in the earth or from agricultural and industrial practices. Arsenic is a semi-metal element in the periodic table. It is odorless and tasteless. It enters drinking water supplies from natural deposits in the earth or from agricultural and industrial practices. Arsenic appears in three allotropic forms: yellow, black and gray; the stable form is a silver-gray, brittle crystalline solid. The silver gray is indigenous to the Sierra Nevada Mountain range and Alleghany. It is insoluble.

On January 22, 2001 EPA adopted a new standard for arsenic in drinking water at 10 parts per billion (ppb), replacing the old standard of 50 ppb. The rule became effective on February 22, 2002. The date by which systems must comply with the new 10 ppb standard is January 23, 2006. There are no scientific studies proving that Americans have suffered or will suffer health problems at the old levels.

Most ingested soluble inorganic arsenic is absorbed, whereas insoluble forms pass through the gastrointestinal tract with negligible absorption. Most ingested soluble inorganic arsenic is absorbed, whereas insoluble forms pass through the gastrointestinal tract with negligible absorption. The average American adult takes in 50 milligrams of arsenic each day, with 80% of it coming from meat, fish and poultry. Some wines also contain arsenic due to pesticides used in farming.

The average concentration in the human adult is about 20mg.
The health effects of any toxic substance are related to the amount of exposure, also known as the dose. The greater the dose the more severe the effects. Some chemicals can cause toxicity at very low doses and so it is important to be able to understand how these very small amounts are described. It is especially important to understand how low doses compare to one another and what they represent when compared to amounts of more familiar substances.
Parts per million (ppm), parts per billion (ppb), and parts per trillion (ppt), are the most commonly used terms to describe very small amounts of contaminants in our environment. But what do these terms represent? They are measures of concentration, the amount of one material in a larger amount of another material; for example, the weight of a toxic chemical in a certain weight of food. They are expressed as concentrations rather than total amounts so we can easily compare a variety of different environmental situations.
An example might help illustrate the part per ... idea. If you divide a pie equally into 10 pieces, then each piece would be a part per ten; for example, one-tenth of the total pie. If, instead, you cut this pie into a million pieces, then each piece would be very small and would represent a millionth of the total pie or one part per million of the original pie. If you cut each of these million minute pieces into a thousand little pieces, then each of these new pieces would be one part per billion of the original pie. To give you an idea of how little this would be, a pinch of salt in ten tons of potato chips is also one part (salt) per billion parts (chips).
In this example, the pieces of the pie were made up of the same material as the whole. However, if there was a contaminant in the pie at a level of one part per billion, one of these invisible pieces of pie would be made up of the contaminant and the other 999,999,999 pieces would be pure pie. Similarly, one part per billion of an impurity in water represents a tiny fraction of the total amount of water. One part per billion is the equivalent of one drop of impurity in 500 barrels of water.

Stick with me a little longer. It’s important because California’s water regulators must not be aware of the mathematical conversions of the earth’s natural element (arsenic) and how dosage relates to potential health issues. The public is even more lost than the busy bureaucrats in Sacramento and Washington D.C., who rarely get outside their safe and comfortable desks to face man’s health issues with a sense of reality. The Sixteen to One has suffered and continues to suffer from the ignorance of people entrusted by you and me to do good work for the benefit of the public. We put our hard earned income in an envelope and send it to Sacramento or Washington D.C. as a tribute (called taxes) for the privilege of living in this great state and country. We expect something of value in return. The Central Valley Regional Water Agency and its federal counterparts are not giving the public value for their use of our tax dollars.

I need your help in keeping the Sixteen to One mine operating because of draconian measures regarding water.

Sometimes, instead of using the part per ... terminology, concentrations are reported in weight units; such as the weight of the impurity compared to the weight of the total. The metric system is the most convenient way to express this since metric units go by steps of ten, hundred and thousand.

For example, a milligram is a thousandth of a gram and a gram is a thousandth of a kilogram. Thus, a milligram is a thousandth of a thousandth, or a millionth of a kilogram. A milligram is one part per million of a kilogram thus, one part per million (ppm) is the same as one milligram per kilogram. Just as part per million is abbreviated as ppm, a milligram per kilogram has its own abbreviation -- mg/kg. Using our abbreviations, one ppm equals one mg/kg.
Kilograms and milligrams are units of weight so they don't apply to volumes of liquids or gases. Instead of a kilogram, the unit of liquid volume most commonly used is the liter. A liter of water weighs one kilogram. If the contaminant is a solid, it is measured in milligrams. Thus, one part per million of a solid in a liquid can be written as a milligram per liter and abbreviated mg/l.
These are the most common units that are encountered. However, with the ability to detect even smaller amounts of contaminants, the terms part per billion and part per trillion are becoming more common.

In the metric weight system, a microgram is a thousandth of a milligram. Since a milligram is a millionth of a kilogram, and the microgram is a thousand times smaller, it is equivalent to a billionth of a kilogram. Microgram is abbreviated ug. Thus, a part per billion of solid measure is equal to a ug/kg. Similarly, a part per billion of a solid in a liquid is equal to a ug/l.

We can compare metric weight quantities to the quantities we are most accustomed to using. A kilogram is equal to about two pounds. Thus, a milligram is less than a millionth of a pound. Looked at another way, it would take about five thousand milligrams (5000 mg) to make up one teaspoonful of a solid (such as salt). The unit of liquid volume, the liter, is very close to a quart. Thus, a milligram per liter is about the same as a milligram per quart.

The math of the ppm, ppb,mg/l pounds, quartz, kilograms and liters is a lot to deal with; however I gave it a try and came up (using the potato example above) that one person drinking 2-L/day of water would spend 13 years before he ingested that pinch of salt. Should society be spending time, money and compromising productive mining by claiming that arsenic in the Sierra Nevada Mountain range is harmful and requires oppressive monitoring?

I need your help in enlightening the public about this subject because the water agencies are deaf, dumb and blind.
 By Dave I.

07/31/2009  5:59PM

I'm not sure that Alleghany is an incorporated municipality, but should it be, the community would have development rights to establish public infrastructure to meet service prospective demand such as hydro electric power. Public water service, and waste disposal. See Constitution Statement below.


SEC. 9. (a) A municipal corporation may establish, purchase, and
operate public works to furnish its inhabitants with light, water,
power, heat, transportation, or means of communication. It may
furnish those services outside its boundaries, except within another
municipal corporation which furnishes the same service and does not
(b) Persons or corporations may establish and operate works for
supplying those services upon conditions and under regulations that
the city may prescribe under its organic law.
 By bluejay

05/15/2009  11:26PM


It sounds that the Water Board is just like so many other government agencies, full of ignorance and leaning towards complete stupidity. Or, is it about white envelopes being exchanged under tables???

Check out the website tonight concerning a major newspaper in London running the headline, Geithner Enriches Speculators In "Sham Bank" Bail-Outs and the enjoining article.

The deeper you dig the messier it gets.
 By Rick

05/14/2009  10:18PM

The original initial entry under this topic was written by me, a few years ago, when the CRWQCB demanded of the Original Sixteen to One Mine that the naturally occuring element arsenopyrite stop exisiting in the water.

Arsenopyrite is the naturally occuring element in the geology of the Allegany Ridge, with a principal element arsenic. CRWQCB stands for California Regional Water Quality Control Board.

Many of us testified in Sacramento in front of that board, and personally I suggested that they "dip their own mugs into the effluent waters from the downtown rail-yard where arsenic levels were 25,000 time higher than their mandate of 50ppb" hich they demanded the mine establish in a pristine environment of naturally occuring levels...."hile the man-made occurance of arsenic in the rail-yard remained un-assaulted by the very board demanding the impossible" from where the Original Sixteen to One is located....

[This was happening the same time the CDAA was also assaulting the mine. A full court press, reminiscent of the current administration's intolerance of freedom.]

My time in front of the CRWQB was limited to a minute. I made my point: the arsenic in Allegany is natural, upstream and downstream; also to go "dip your mugs" where it is not.

Summarily dismissed. No response. They could give an S.

I implore all of you reading this forum entry to back-track to the origins of the topic title, which will be at the very bottom, the original writing.

BTW, they don't care about the water. They only care about buying votes.
 By Rick

05/10/2009  8:42PM

Been on my radar screen for years....
 By bluejay

05/10/2009  4:29PM

Any regular source of income for the Company is a step in the right direction. One thing that has amazed me from historical readings of the Alleghany Mining District was that miners lacked the planning for the time expense between discoveries with financial reserves.

Once profitable deposits are located and mined one might suspect that it could easily develop into expensive celebrating and parties and a time to pay off debt but wouldn't it be better to not have debt at all and do some serious planning with the extra revenue?

Planning for the future and taking steps to insure that probabilities favor mining companies in the District appears the right approach.

Following up with the planning and the commencement of hydropower production on our property has another advantage. Once we become self sufficent with renewable energy we will be joining the world's green investment family with some improved PR status.

Companhia Vale Do Rio Dove, Vale for short, the world's second largest mining company in Brazil has formed a separate subsidiary for the development of renewable energy. The whole country of Brazil is involved in a massive renewable energy rollout.

Another thought aside from hearing that wine has been stored in the mine, would be for using or selling the mine space for safety to exist in the event of a nuclear fallout or a massive eruption from Yellowstone. As long as the water keeps flowing assuming that we will be running a hydroplant plant, the mine could be used for living quarters and growing food. In the event of such a catastrophe green could turn into another form of gold for shareholders as the unused mine tunnels could turn into quite a valuable asset.

Bringing up the possibility of disaster may not be popular but it is just part of rational planning.
 By Michael Miller

05/07/2009  8:51AM

As promised, here's Ron's report. The original has many beautiful and purposeful pictures. Unable to post photos on FORUM.
Hydropower Pre-feasibility Study

Prepared for Original Sixteen to One Mine, INC

February 2009
Prepared by RON OTT


This pre-feasibility investigation was conducted to determine if waterpower could be used to generate environmentally clean energy that would offset the amount of energy and thus cost provided to the Sixteen to One Mine (16 to 1) via Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E). Sources and amounts of water available for hydropower generation were measured (Flow). The available water drop or pressure head (Head) was estimated from topographic maps. Amounts of energy that could be generated were estimated and amounts of energy and cost that the mine uses was estimated to determine the potential cost savings. Estimates were then made on the cost of the project and finally the contract and interconnection requirements were instigated with PG&E.

Flows were measured at the Main Spring four times over the course of the year using a 5 gallon bucket and stop watch. The combined flows of the white and black pipes as they entered the collection tank follow:

Date Flow (cubic feet per Second –cfs)
9/21/07 0.21
2/8/2008 0.28
3/21/2008 0.20
11/26/2008 0.25
Average 0.24 cfs

Flows were also estimated and measured from other springs and seeps in the area around the Main Spring. Theses estimated follows are shown in the table below.

Date Gold Crown Culvert Gold Crown Upper Pond Lower Dam Spring Culvert
9/21/2007 0.13 0.28 0.13
2/8/2008 0.10 0.22 0.10
3/21/2008 0.14 0.31 0.14
11/26/2008 0.11 0.23 0.11
Average 0.12 0.26 0.12.

Flow summary:
Main Spring 0.24 cfs
Other springs and seeps 0.50 cfs
Total: 0.74 cfs

The available pressure head was calculated as the difference in the water surface elevation where the water enters the penstock and the centerline elevation of the nozzle at the turbine. Then the friction loss in the penstock was subtracted.

Using elevations from topographic maps, altimeters, and Google Earth, the upstream water surface at the spring was estimated at elevation 4,420 feet and the elevation of the nozzle at the power house would be 3,804 feet. The difference or gross head is approximately 616 feet.

To determine the approximate friction loss in the 2,400 foot penstock, the penstock was assumed to be 8 inches in diameter and made of steel. With a flow of 1 cfs the head loss in the penstock would be approximately 15 feet.

Therefore, the Net Head available to the turbine is approximately 600 feet.

The power kW (kilowatts) available from any flow and net head combination can be calculated by:

kW = (Q * H / 11.815 )(Eff)

kW = kilowatts (kW)
Q = Flow (cfs)
H = Net Head (feet)
11.815 = conversion factor
Eff = overall efficiency from water to power at the meter (assumed 85%)

The following table gives examples of the approximate energy that could be produced with various size turbines that ran year round (assume 5 % down time for maintenance):

Water Source Flow (cfs) kW kWhrs/Year
Main Spring only 0.24 11.3 94,000
All springs and seeps 0.74 31.9 266,000
If full water right developed* 1.0 43.2 360,000
* It would most likely require storage to utilize the full water right of 1 cfs

In June 2008, 16:1 and PG&E executed a 20 year “Small Renewable Generator Power Purchase Agreement” for PG&E to purchase power from 16:1. The maximum rate to PG&E cannot exceed 50 kW and the generated power would be used to offset the power requirements of the Mine first. Any access power that the mine does not use would be purchased by PG&E at $0.0967/kWhr in 2009 escalating to $0.119/kWhr in 2020. There are factors used to adjust these rates daily depending on the season and time of day. They range from 2.037 for super peak in the summer down to .656 for night in the spring months.

In the summer 2006 the mine purchased power from PG&E at the following rates:

Summer 2006 $/kWhr Total Cost for 2006 year
Peak 0.31618 $8,906
Partial Peak 0.15738 $14,021
Off-Peak 0.09511 $11,279
Total $34,206

The optimum operation strategy would be to store the water in a small reservoir and run the hydroplant at full capacity to offset the super peak and peak energy purchases from PG&E.
If the hydroplant is run with little mining operations and no storage reservoir, the maximum revenue generated from PG&E would be approximately:

Water Source Revenue $/year
Main Spring only $9,000
All springs and seeps $27,000
If full water right developed $36,000

Given varying mine energy requirements, an operations study should be conducted to determine the size of reservoir in order to optimize the revenue.
The major cost to the project will be the penstock and the turbine. Two preliminary budget estimates were received. One United States and one overseas manufacture. Both were around $50,000 for the turbine, switchgear, and spare parts.

A price quote was received from Normac, Inc of Rancho Cordova for 2400 feet of 8” to 4” HDPE pipe. The quote for the pipe and fittings was $58,000.

Total Estimated cost for the Project is shown in the follow table:

Item Cost $
Diversion and water collections structure $10,000
Penstock HDPE pipe , 2400 feet $58,000
Penstock installation and restraints $10,000
Turbine and Switchgear $50,000
Powerhouse construction $15,000
Electrical to connection point $5,000
PG&E requirements for hookup $10,000
Misc. equipment and fittings $5,000
Total estimate $163,000


1. Get interconnection study completed by PG&E. This will determine the cost of any special facilities or insurance required to connect
2. Survey the project to determine elevations, lengths and alignment
3. Look into spring development
4. Run optimization study to determine size and location of small reservoir in concert with future mining operations and size of turbine
5. Prepare conceptual drawings
6. Prepare final feasibility study
7. Obtain exemption from FERC
8. Obtain final quotes and schedule of equipment
9. Order equipment
10. Construction
11. Install new PG&E meter
12. Register Project with the Western Region Electricity Generation Information System (WREGIS)
13. Test facility and commence operation.
 By Michael Miller

05/06/2009  12:58PM

To Oakrockranch: I forgot... you have the Golden- Royal underground tour on your next visit to Alleghany. You'll love it.
 By Michael Miller

05/06/2009  12:46PM

What a surprise I just got from Oakrockranch. It's your comments and the gift of your thoughts, which are of value. I was just hoping for a fresh idea!
Ron Ott's report arrived by email, which I will somehow get into this topic. I mirror emf with a sincere thank you. Running this old gold mine can get emotional now.
 By emf

05/06/2009  11:49AM

GOOD FOR YOU OakRockRanch and a sincere THANK YOU on behalf of all the shareholders!
 By oakrockranch

05/06/2009  10:11AM

Hey Mike - I'll send you $500 with the hopes you can get this idea pushed further down the road and off the ground someday. As you know I'm not a shareholder, but truly admire your wisdom, passion, commitment and tenacity. My interests are simply human, with the belief that something grand will come of your efforts. Maybe I'll even get a chance for a tour of the underground operations the next time I visit. All the best!
 By Michael Miller

05/04/2009  2:50PM

For years we talked about utilizing the waterpower from our spring to generate power for the mine. Two years ago Ron Ott, a shareholder spoke up and offered to lead the application through PG&E, our electricity provider. In 2007 and 2008 we accomplished a record of water flow throughout the year, calculated the cost and revenue, agreed to a purchase contract with PG&E and prepared the final document to PG&E. Oops, it required a $500 fee, which is not in our budget.

PG&E said today it couldn’t wave the fee due to FERC language. I asked about any grants or other sources to fund its review process. Some ideas may be forthcoming but no promises. Do any of you know of organizations that cry for green power and will put some money where their mouth is? This mine deserves some help. We are pro conservation and have been long before it became a battle cry throughout America.

I asked Ron to email me his analysis, which will be posted here once it arrives. Our citizens need to support domestic productivity from all sources. From grain to grapes to nickel, copper, oil, timber and gold, domestic production raises our assets. It also increases our security in these uncertain times. Finally, America cannot lose its basic or fundamental blue-collar industries. The Sixteen to One can help these causes as a leader in its field..

The total estimated cost for the Project is $163,000. The revenue generated (or saved) is approximately $36,000 a year. In June 2008, the PG&E and mine executed a 20-year “Small Renewable Generator Power Purchase Agreement” to purchase power from the Sixteen to One. The Project calls for a modified Pelton Wheel turbine. Interestingly, we have the historic number 01 Pelton Wheel still in place on our property where it was used to power our underground miners. How great an historical lesson to generate power once again. Mr. Pelton lived in Camptonville, about twenty-five southwest of Alleghany.

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