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 By Rick

03/26/2010  5:59PM

Great question. And, I don't know the science, but I do know the politics.

It will be instructive to discover the science behind their decisions, but that pipe dream is lost to vote-buying, science-ignoring (always remember the funding sources, those feeding frenzied dollars gobbled up with outcome-based distribution, the tainted science designed to produce political results, next gobbled up by the gobbling lap-dog media...I digress.)

Reality: science has no voice here. If it did, they would focus on the true issues for water-supply quality problems, like recognizing how Southern Cal is effing with everything rural in the North.

When I first initiated this topic, I was amazed that it was even a topic of debate. Natural stuff happens...like water with natural arsenic content. A mine found gold, and arsenic arsenopyrite as sulfide deposites, existing for millions of years. Somehow, an a-hole in politics discovered money in an attempt to equate the two, blatantly omitting that natural elements are natural, and occur.

IT IS A FACT: arsenic occurs in the water above and below the minbe, and always has, even before there was a mine.

IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT FACTS.

This is politics, the awful ugliness of oportunity, worse than any gold-seeded farse tried before, because we have un-elected cons able to impose gestapo-tactics into our freedom.

I am as out-raged as all of you. While voting is still legal, we need to kick these crooks out with our vote.

NEVER FORGET THIS !!!!!!!!
 By wlkirk

03/26/2010  10:57AM

I again wish to ask if anyone knows how the regulators establish acceptable water arsenic levels. It is well to question their motives. However, I would also like to challenge the science behind their assumptions – if there is any.
 By bluejay

03/25/2010  10:59AM

Are the current Water Board members any different than the California politicians, along with governor Pete Wilson, back in 1996 when they all screwed fellow Californians?

Some companies, especially Enron, had an agenda to prosper at the expense of residents back then and our representatives paved the way for the financial raping that soon followed the State's deregulation of Electricity rates. The total dollar amount of the heist perpetrated against California residents that was set-up by the legislature totaled $70 billion. Have we forgotten that already?

How did deregulation come about? Quite simply, by the lobbying by energy companies of State officials. Who wrote those complicated new rules that few understood when signed into law? Of course, it was the highwaymen who were encouraged in some manner or another to aid in this robbery: the rule makers, State employees.

Now we have established in the State rules and regulations concerning our environment. The dirty side of environmental interpretations and rules is they can be used to take more money from us, in this case owners of the Sixteen to One. It is a fact that there is no global warming but still it is referred to everyday as being the gospel truth. It's just like the phony Water Board interpretation of water standard rules that is now being attempted to reach into our pockets, again, just like when Al Gore tried to be instrumental in convincing U.S. lawmakers to pass a carbon tax. Gore was icing over a pile of dog crap and trying to sell it as a birthday cake. As was mentioned earlier here, 31,000 scientists opposed the idea of global warming which sent Gore into hiding.

The Water Board should be investigated by Federal regulators concerning manipulative and gestapo tactics to rob Original Sixteen to One owners concerning water matters. Just like the complicated rules of electricity deregulation facilitated all the stealing from residents, so again, here comes the State. Too often though our country's history private interests have stolen from citizens with the assistance of elected representatives and their back-up staff of appointees running various agencies. These appointees really don't have an independent hand, they take their orders from the person who appointed them. Wouldn't that sound reasonable?

In California energy costs were stable until Enron started experimenting through manipulation of energy flows and on how much money they could steal from us. Sound familiar?

California's new degegulation rules were written in great complexity. Who do you think wrote those rules? Really, it was the energy companies, especially Enron. How much money do you think it cost Enron to convince the State to see it their way? Who took the benefits?

Kanaka Creek that passes through Original Sixteen to One's property has no increased incidence of arsenic. The folks at the company are environmentalists. So what's the problem with the Central Water Board? The problem is they are enforcers. Their salaries are supported by the numbers of tickets they write. If this isn't the most egregious example of conflict of interest then I suppose you could call Bernie Madoff a saint.

Lawmakers, in some cases, are just a bunch of financial hoodlums. They use their entrusteed power to enrich themselves at the expense of the people who put them in office.

I believe that if the State Attorney's office can't get $1,000,000 out of the company then they'll go after shareholders and access them. Every shareholders needs to address this issue with their State representatives. People, we are being attacked. This is not the time for complacency.

By the way, Californians never got rebates from the over charges back in the late 90's because all the evidence against the power companies, especially Enron, was conveniently destroyed during the time of the 9/11 attacks when Building #7 that housed those important documents was methodically imploded. Yes, I say methodically imploded.
 By bluejay

03/14/2010  12:16AM

Isn't it odd to consider, along with the toxic dumping in our oceans and the continuing outrageously filthy condition of the Sacramento River here in California, why some water agency of the State views the Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc as the great Satan, destroying water quality? When in fact, evidence to the contrary has been submitted to the Central Water Board by a State licensed mining engineer along with a proclamation from the company that the Mine no longer operates its mill.

The failure to accept reality seems to be spreading elsewhere within the State as a report coming out of Paris by Max Keiser this week so much as indicates that California is cooking its books. Even Jim Rogers said Friday on King World News from Shanghai that the State is imploding and inferred it is in worse shape than any other western European nation or any other State in this country. Eric King added by saying on the same show that, California is theoretically bankrupt and will be the first to fall.

The question is, are the rats lining their pockets as fast as possible to pay their mortgages before the mooring lines are cast off and the ship of State is led out to deeper waters to sink in peace so it won't be a half sunk hazard in port?

What's really shocking is that well respected people known to Jim Rogers are saying that the US governement will be financially bankrupt when it won't be able to find buyers for its new debt issues in two years. If this is the case, California will go with it and all the State employees, including the ones from the Central Water Board, who will be cleaning out their desks and heading home, not to return.

Almost all living organisms depend upon: oxygen, carbon dioxide, water and the sun for their existence. When any government tries to control any of these necessities through regulation, you can be assured they will take it to the extreme using voodoo science along with their cooked up rules book. The samething is happening all over again to us, just like when the State sanctioned the CDAA to lynch the company, its president and the mine manager for an extremely unfortunate accident in the mine that resulted in the loss of one's precious life.

The Water Board's finger pointing is coming from the same utility type of false premise that Al Gore attempted to use in his case for global warming. Unfortunately for him and the people behind the promotion of the scheme, over 31,000 scientists disagreed with the premise which resulted in the government's sponsored carbon tax bill being defeated in the Senate. If it had passed, an additional million plus private sector jobs would have been lost and each family would have been indirectly reponsible for handing over, annually, to the federal government about $1,250.

Growing regulation is destroying the people of our land and its companies. It's the same old story of robbing the people which was so sternly put down by the original colonists when England attempted to impose a tea tax.

People, you need to wake up! Stop being glued to the television set and do some serious soul searching concerning where and how you want to be in the future.

I'll give you a little clue what we are all up against: When Hank Paulson marched into the Congressional chambers and demanded billions for commercial and investment bank interests, hundreds of people protested in front of the New York Stock Exchange and on the steps of the old sub-Treasury building where George Washington's statue stoically faced out with not one account of the event ever making it on TV news.

Thr protest was important as what was accomplished by Paulson and his support cronies was the biggest public financial theft ever perpetrated in the history of the world.
 By Michael Miller

03/13/2010  12:20AM

Answer to Dave I’s questions on the Water and Arsenic topic (March 5&6)

The weather forecasters blew this storm! I left Alleghany about 1pm to Oroville. Big snow was floating down. The drive back was fun. There was zero visibility while passing through clouds. Rain slapped my truck. Off and on it snowed. What was very strange and different with the weather was its unpredictability as I climbed and dipped in elevation. The changes were sudden even while driving thirty MPH. Fortunately, from Dobbins, across Bullards Bar, to highway 49 and onto Alleghany I saw no cars. Oh, those forecasters said to see clearing around 11am. They were wrong.

Now to those answers:
The claim is against Origsix as an incorporation and Michael Miller as an individual. Both are named as defendants. The theory to prosecute was determined by either the water agency or its lawyer. For some reason it was transferred to the State AG to file and prosecute. The paper filing is speculation, an irresponsible and wild twist of rules of the court. If naming Miller as culpable for the reasons alleged was proposed from some jerk-ass lawyer, it would trigger my forceful denial and a counter suit against the corrupted lawyer. Well, it is just as repulsive when the highest law office in California and not some jerk-ass lawyer does it; however, the AG lawyers in this case will claim absolute immunity. I don’t see how the water board lawyers could make the same claim.

Perjured statements, violating rules of Californian courtrooms, misleading with malice and foresight a sitting judge from obeying the legislated rules for the courts of California used to be against the law. Court people know this but few either care or care enough to stop the behavior. The problem and solution to stop abusive behavior rest with the same people: men and women, boys and girls, guys and gals with a license to practice law. But, I digress from answering Dave’s question.

The beneficiaries of this prosecution are stated in the allegation as “the public”, which means you, me, our neighbors, your family and friends, and everyone between Oregon and Mexico and Nevada and the Pacific Ocean. Do you know anyone who meets this description? That means additionally that the beneficiaries will benefit from killing the company, mine and me? If some are found, let’s learn what are the benefits they will receive?

The AG representative interviewed tried to separate MMM as the president and MMM without that job, which I requested prior to the deposition. Neither the company nor I have money to get a copy of the deposition. By law I asked to read her record when she transcribed it. I’ll take down some notes and give you a report.

The company wrote the water agency a proposal to settle the disagreement with the best management practices and best outcome for the People of California and gave it to the deputy attorney general prosecuting the case. Who in our government decides is a mystery to me. Is it the client? The central water board? The State water board? Either water agency staff? The bevy of agents working for the California Attorney General’ office?
 By Dave I.

03/12/2010  10:11PM

I hope so
 By bluejay

03/12/2010  8:57PM

Who are the employees of the the State Water Boards working for, themselves or the people?

As the State falls deeper and deeper into a federally supported unprecedented bankruptcy mode, it seems to be business as usual at the Central Water Board, subsidizing payroll checks for their mortgages, hopefully, from the collection of fines and penalties. Now with the blessings of Jerry Brown, an action is being brought against the mines's ownership.

We are not the first to be subjected to unreasonable requests from the Board. Barrick Gold's subsidiary, Homestake Mines, was brought in by them for being liable for the discharges of mercury into Sulphur Creek in Colusa County. The Board's rule book says that a passive migration constitutes a discharge that would make an owner or former owner responsible for clean-up.

Well boyz, you better go back to square one and start working forward from 1888 because you guys failed to consider the "real facts." Which is par for their course at the Board because they also ignored Jason Burke's submitted facts, as the responsible mining engineer, when they, again ignored, the truth.

On Sulphur Creek near the Elgin Mine is where the suspected discharge has been entering the waterway. Never mind, this is a past quicksilver mining area. Poor Barrick Gold had to send in one of their represenatives to state they only did minor exploration work and were never mining and were never owners. Seems like with all the guys at the State agency they could have figured this out for themselves. Did they think that a large company like Barrick was going to fall for some elementary school minded scheme to do someone else's possible clean-up work from over 100 years ago? Sorry boyz, go talk to any remnants left from the old California Onyx Company who was on the property back in 1888 or try and discover with a little research who operated the quicksilver mines back then.

Or since you guys like to put the screws to past producing gold mines for your needed money, why not try and figure out who now owns the old Clyde Mine in Colusa County?

Since the Water Board went after Barrick Gold why don't they show their brass balls again and go after some pharmaceutical companies who make all the chemicals that are ending up in our water supply and reducing everyone's immune system who drinks from the municipal system.

In an interview on kingworldnews.com the top trends forecaster in the world, Mr. Gerald Celente has stated that a new health hazzard has already arrived and he has labeled it the "Black Plague."

Isn't it interesting that while water boards exist in California that people like Gerald Celente say that our water quality is on the decline. What society is headed for, if people continue drinking chemically tainted water from drugs, in a complete immune system breakdown where bacteria and viruses will just shorten everyone's life.

Mr. Celente says, I'm not an imbecile and I don't believe for one minute what these white-coated scientist type actor types on TV say when they state that the small amount of chemicals in water won't effect your health.

Celente further states that important nutients are being washed away by unused chemicals that our bodies release thus entering the water eventually again which is as deadly as a nuclear blast. When crops are irrigated these same present chemicals just keep continuously being reintroduced into any living thing. The more time elapsed the bigger the build up and the greater is the continuing breakdown of your immune system.

It seems eventually that when the government of California falls apart so, too, will the highly over-paid tunnel visioned employees of the Central Water Board be sent packing as well.
 By Dave I.

03/06/2010  1:13AM

The letter I posted was rejected by the post master at the Sacramento Bee, so it did not get received by them.
Micheal Miller, when you go to court do you not have a right to a jury of your piers rather then the judge?
 By Dave I.

03/05/2010  6:36PM

Here is a copy of the letter I recently wrote the Sacramento Bee.

To The Sacramento Bee


Dear Editor, March 5, 2010

It is official “Moon Beam Brown” is in the run for Governor of California. He is leaving the Attorney General office where he has had a hand in letting the Indian tribes win their case to stop Gold dredging in our state by failing to defend the position of the Fish and Game. Also he won the case against the gold miners in federal court in their constitutional challenge against the State of California, for destroying the right of the miner to dredge for gold as a granted right per the 1872 mining law. He is also supporting government law suit litigation against existing mines for huge sums of money to bankrupt these existing mines to gain control of the resources. This is done by his support of the Water quality control board regulators. He knows how to get more money for the state with out raising taxes, He will just sue you for every thing you got. To enslave the bankrupt people of California to this debt they owe the state.
It was the gold of California that built this state, it is still a viable resource to continue in providing wealth, jobs, and the economic stimulus to turn our state back into the black. It was one of our states major resources that saved us in the last depression. So many people were mining for gold at the beginning of world war II, that the president of the United State shut it down to get folks to join the service to fight the war.
I think Jerry Brown is beholding to the Sierra Club and the Indian tribes for advancing there environmental concerns over the well being of our economy and our human survival.

Thank you

Sincerely
Dave I
 By Dave I.

03/05/2010  5:16PM

How did the AG depose you from your CEO position, or testify against you? Have you been to court as o yet.
 By Michael Miller

03/04/2010  10:20PM

What a surprise to see this old topic get a fresh entry. It started over eight years ago. It is an example of “living history”. And you readers are proof that some “living histories” are truly worth keeping alive or “living”.

I’m on my own time now. It is approaching the teens outside in Alleghany. Burr. This morning my thermometer sat at 18 degrees. This is California cold even at 4450 feet. I am on my own time, a distinction I made to the Attorney General, when he deposed me on March 3, in Sacramento. Once again that old Sixteen to One mining company and I find us defending ourselves from crime. After all, the AG has chosen to convict me along with the mine of awful crimes. Seems like we were here seven years ago, only Gayle Filter and his gang of lawyers who perjured the judicial system or worse, violated California laws for lawyers and took the role that is presently coming from the Attorney General. I wrote the former AG and asked him to investigate these lawbreakers. No investigation was forthcoming. Prosecute them should have been forthcoming. What ever happened to Gayle? That issue is dead.

This issue is alive.
Who will investigate decisions by the directors and management of the Water Board?
The Attorney General represents the water board and claims attorney/client privilege between himself and his client. How does this work in a transparent government?

The truth is what you say in a deposition, if you honor the judicial systems run by our States and the Federal Government. If a deposed person has no respect for the court system, say whatever makes for victory. Advice should you be deposed: Understand the question before you answer. Do not speculate. Stay on point with the question. Avoid responding to ambiguous questions. And answer truthfully. I raised my right hand and affirmed the administered oath, from this point on, to speak truthfully.

When I opened the Ideal Time for Facts topic tonight (because it was an entry I had not read), my mind felt a desire to reread the first entry dealing with the subjects of water and arsenic. Water and Arsenic: which came first? Is the topic that Rick wrote and initiated in December 2001. Please do the same and read it; go to the second page and scroll down to the entry that set this topic in motion. It is a great “living history”. You may want to continue the chronology of this topic right back to today.

I’ll be back in this topic later.
 By Rick

09/26/2009  7:21PM

Well, on the local level it's the EPA's derivitive, the political directive. Every scenario is a derivitive of the farce, that mankind is in charge of the planet.

Roundy rocks are in our river courses because rivers send rocks downstream especially when it rains.

You should go watch. The roundy boulders are the size of Volkswagons and even more, when the rivers deliver the reality and bounty of REALITY....

Humans ain't in charge.....
 By wlkirk

09/24/2009  12:31PM

Everything is poisonous, nothing is poisonous, it is all a matter of dose. -Bernard

How does the EPA decide how low water arsenic levels should be? It must be below the toxic level, but how did they decide just how low?
Is it the legal level different for the creek versus the mine?
 By Rick

09/10/2009  7:48PM

Chuck, nice stuff. Keep it up.

Interesting to note is the environmental mercury factor, often lost in the debate when gold mining takes its undue hit from the un-informed masses that hear the word "mining" and think of disasterous results from killer biproducts like arsenic and mercury.

I hear this disconnect often, especially when the Original Sixteen to One is grouped together with the toxic cyanic-recombination reaction leach field mines of the barren streams in Colorado and neighboring states. The Original Sixteen to One clean gold-mine encounters only water, quartz, associated minerals and a drill-bit...for the Orinal Sixteen to One, its been years since the milling process was used, and even back when it used the mill and when mercury was used in an regulated "green" way, it was only used in a completely regulated and documented closed retort system. (Now the mine only targets highgrade deposites, uses no mill, and therefor no other methods of recovery than metal detectors; no byproduct but clean water and sand.)

[For new readers, the former use of mercury in the mill-recovery-process is still "green"...no mercury was ever released into the environment; its recorded use is documented, regulated by Federal Mining Health and Safety ...and, for the record, all regulations were met.]

[Here's a small reminder of how mercury is used in gold recovery: when gold-quartz is crushed, mercury can be introduced as a "PacMan" gobbler until the mercury is saturated with the gold, since mercury in the liquid state attracts mico-gold particles, being of a higher specific gravity and in a liquid form at ambient temperature. Once the mercury is saturated, it can be retorted (this means heating it to a gas state, leaving the gold behind, while the mercury is re-captured into a closed environmental lab situation, then cooled back to its original volume as it returns from a gas to a liquid in the beaker; nothing released into the environment, all volume of mercury recycled.]

This wasn't always the case. Back in the 1800s gold-rush days, sleuce-boxes were lined with mercury and then the gold was recovered in open-flame mercury release systems, and unfortunately ignorance of the consequences resulted in the settling of mercury in the eastern California water-courses where it remains today. BUT...here's the kicker:

Where did the old miners get their mercury?

They found naturally occuring (environmental mercury) in the western foothills north of today's Lake Berryessa and continuing north into the volcanic regions of Clear Lake where the Gysers are today.

NATURALLY OCCURING MERCURY was mined there, and then introduced into the gold-rush eastern California streams in amounts never even used today, even in closed retort systems. Mercury has taken a bad hit as a toxic bad-guy, when it is one of the elements placed on this planet. And somehow, some "green" advocates haven't taken the time to understand this and continue to associate mining of gold with toxicity, then blame then entire concept. Ignorance on parade.

I am astonished to find how few people raising the "green-RED-flag" HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW NATURALLY OCCURING ELEMENTS OCCUR NATURALLY!

This is exactly what the Original Sixteen to One Mine is encountering with the CRWQCB's miss-understanding of naturally occuring arsenic above and below the mine in the occuance of arseno-pyrite within the quartz vein system.

Actually, I don't believe it is a miss-understanding. I believe it is an intentional misrepresentation of geologic fact, with the sole purpose of political blackmail.
 By Michael Miller

08/03/2009  12:39PM

I need your help in keeping the Sixteen to One mine operating because of draconian measures regarding water. The following should introduce you to one of the red herrings that has and will continue to damage our society. The article is longer than expected.

Arsenic is a semi-metal element in the periodic table. It is odorless and tasteless. It enters drinking water supplies from natural deposits in the earth or from agricultural and industrial practices. Arsenic is a semi-metal element in the periodic table. It is odorless and tasteless. It enters drinking water supplies from natural deposits in the earth or from agricultural and industrial practices. Arsenic appears in three allotropic forms: yellow, black and gray; the stable form is a silver-gray, brittle crystalline solid. The silver gray is indigenous to the Sierra Nevada Mountain range and Alleghany. It is insoluble.

On January 22, 2001 EPA adopted a new standard for arsenic in drinking water at 10 parts per billion (ppb), replacing the old standard of 50 ppb. The rule became effective on February 22, 2002. The date by which systems must comply with the new 10 ppb standard is January 23, 2006. There are no scientific studies proving that Americans have suffered or will suffer health problems at the old levels.

Most ingested soluble inorganic arsenic is absorbed, whereas insoluble forms pass through the gastrointestinal tract with negligible absorption. Most ingested soluble inorganic arsenic is absorbed, whereas insoluble forms pass through the gastrointestinal tract with negligible absorption. The average American adult takes in 50 milligrams of arsenic each day, with 80% of it coming from meat, fish and poultry. Some wines also contain arsenic due to pesticides used in farming.

The average concentration in the human adult is about 20mg.
The health effects of any toxic substance are related to the amount of exposure, also known as the dose. The greater the dose the more severe the effects. Some chemicals can cause toxicity at very low doses and so it is important to be able to understand how these very small amounts are described. It is especially important to understand how low doses compare to one another and what they represent when compared to amounts of more familiar substances.
Parts per million (ppm), parts per billion (ppb), and parts per trillion (ppt), are the most commonly used terms to describe very small amounts of contaminants in our environment. But what do these terms represent? They are measures of concentration, the amount of one material in a larger amount of another material; for example, the weight of a toxic chemical in a certain weight of food. They are expressed as concentrations rather than total amounts so we can easily compare a variety of different environmental situations.
An example might help illustrate the part per ... idea. If you divide a pie equally into 10 pieces, then each piece would be a part per ten; for example, one-tenth of the total pie. If, instead, you cut this pie into a million pieces, then each piece would be very small and would represent a millionth of the total pie or one part per million of the original pie. If you cut each of these million minute pieces into a thousand little pieces, then each of these new pieces would be one part per billion of the original pie. To give you an idea of how little this would be, a pinch of salt in ten tons of potato chips is also one part (salt) per billion parts (chips).
In this example, the pieces of the pie were made up of the same material as the whole. However, if there was a contaminant in the pie at a level of one part per billion, one of these invisible pieces of pie would be made up of the contaminant and the other 999,999,999 pieces would be pure pie. Similarly, one part per billion of an impurity in water represents a tiny fraction of the total amount of water. One part per billion is the equivalent of one drop of impurity in 500 barrels of water.

Stick with me a little longer. It’s important because California’s water regulators must not be aware of the mathematical conversions of the earth’s natural element (arsenic) and how dosage relates to potential health issues. The public is even more lost than the busy bureaucrats in Sacramento and Washington D.C., who rarely get outside their safe and comfortable desks to face man’s health issues with a sense of reality. The Sixteen to One has suffered and continues to suffer from the ignorance of people entrusted by you and me to do good work for the benefit of the public. We put our hard earned income in an envelope and send it to Sacramento or Washington D.C. as a tribute (called taxes) for the privilege of living in this great state and country. We expect something of value in return. The Central Valley Regional Water Agency and its federal counterparts are not giving the public value for their use of our tax dollars.

I need your help in keeping the Sixteen to One mine operating because of draconian measures regarding water.

Sometimes, instead of using the part per ... terminology, concentrations are reported in weight units; such as the weight of the impurity compared to the weight of the total. The metric system is the most convenient way to express this since metric units go by steps of ten, hundred and thousand.

For example, a milligram is a thousandth of a gram and a gram is a thousandth of a kilogram. Thus, a milligram is a thousandth of a thousandth, or a millionth of a kilogram. A milligram is one part per million of a kilogram thus, one part per million (ppm) is the same as one milligram per kilogram. Just as part per million is abbreviated as ppm, a milligram per kilogram has its own abbreviation -- mg/kg. Using our abbreviations, one ppm equals one mg/kg.
Kilograms and milligrams are units of weight so they don't apply to volumes of liquids or gases. Instead of a kilogram, the unit of liquid volume most commonly used is the liter. A liter of water weighs one kilogram. If the contaminant is a solid, it is measured in milligrams. Thus, one part per million of a solid in a liquid can be written as a milligram per liter and abbreviated mg/l.
These are the most common units that are encountered. However, with the ability to detect even smaller amounts of contaminants, the terms part per billion and part per trillion are becoming more common.

In the metric weight system, a microgram is a thousandth of a milligram. Since a milligram is a millionth of a kilogram, and the microgram is a thousand times smaller, it is equivalent to a billionth of a kilogram. Microgram is abbreviated ug. Thus, a part per billion of solid measure is equal to a ug/kg. Similarly, a part per billion of a solid in a liquid is equal to a ug/l.

We can compare metric weight quantities to the quantities we are most accustomed to using. A kilogram is equal to about two pounds. Thus, a milligram is less than a millionth of a pound. Looked at another way, it would take about five thousand milligrams (5000 mg) to make up one teaspoonful of a solid (such as salt). The unit of liquid volume, the liter, is very close to a quart. Thus, a milligram per liter is about the same as a milligram per quart.

The math of the ppm, ppb,mg/l pounds, quartz, kilograms and liters is a lot to deal with; however I gave it a try and came up (using the potato example above) that one person drinking 2-L/day of water would spend 13 years before he ingested that pinch of salt. Should society be spending time, money and compromising productive mining by claiming that arsenic in the Sierra Nevada Mountain range is harmful and requires oppressive monitoring?

I need your help in enlightening the public about this subject because the water agencies are deaf, dumb and blind.
 By Dave I.

07/31/2009  5:59PM

I'm not sure that Alleghany is an incorporated municipality, but should it be, the community would have development rights to establish public infrastructure to meet service prospective demand such as hydro electric power. Public water service, and waste disposal. See Constitution Statement below.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 11 LOCAL GOVERNMENT


SEC. 9. (a) A municipal corporation may establish, purchase, and
operate public works to furnish its inhabitants with light, water,
power, heat, transportation, or means of communication. It may
furnish those services outside its boundaries, except within another
municipal corporation which furnishes the same service and does not
consent.
(b) Persons or corporations may establish and operate works for
supplying those services upon conditions and under regulations that
the city may prescribe under its organic law.
 By bluejay

05/15/2009  11:26PM

Rick

It sounds that the Water Board is just like so many other government agencies, full of ignorance and leaning towards complete stupidity. Or, is it about white envelopes being exchanged under tables???

Check out the jsmineset.com website tonight concerning a major newspaper in London running the headline, Geithner Enriches Speculators In "Sham Bank" Bail-Outs and the enjoining article.

The deeper you dig the messier it gets.
 By Rick

05/14/2009  10:18PM

The original initial entry under this topic was written by me, a few years ago, when the CRWQCB demanded of the Original Sixteen to One Mine that the naturally occuring element arsenopyrite stop exisiting in the water.

Arsenopyrite is the naturally occuring element in the geology of the Allegany Ridge, with a principal element arsenic. CRWQCB stands for California Regional Water Quality Control Board.

Many of us testified in Sacramento in front of that board, and personally I suggested that they "dip their own mugs into the effluent waters from the downtown rail-yard where arsenic levels were 25,000 time higher than their mandate of 50ppb" hich they demanded the mine establish in a pristine environment of naturally occuring levels...."hile the man-made occurance of arsenic in the rail-yard remained un-assaulted by the very board demanding the impossible" from where the Original Sixteen to One is located....

[This was happening the same time the CDAA was also assaulting the mine. A full court press, reminiscent of the current administration's intolerance of freedom.]

My time in front of the CRWQB was limited to a minute. I made my point: the arsenic in Allegany is natural, upstream and downstream; also to go "dip your mugs" where it is not.

Summarily dismissed. No response. They could give an S.

I implore all of you reading this forum entry to back-track to the origins of the topic title, which will be at the very bottom, the original writing.

BTW, they don't care about the water. They only care about buying votes.
 By Rick

05/10/2009  8:42PM

Been on my radar screen for years....
 By bluejay

05/10/2009  4:29PM

Any regular source of income for the Company is a step in the right direction. One thing that has amazed me from historical readings of the Alleghany Mining District was that miners lacked the planning for the time expense between discoveries with financial reserves.

Once profitable deposits are located and mined one might suspect that it could easily develop into expensive celebrating and parties and a time to pay off debt but wouldn't it be better to not have debt at all and do some serious planning with the extra revenue?

Planning for the future and taking steps to insure that probabilities favor mining companies in the District appears the right approach.

Following up with the planning and the commencement of hydropower production on our property has another advantage. Once we become self sufficent with renewable energy we will be joining the world's green investment family with some improved PR status.

Companhia Vale Do Rio Dove, Vale for short, the world's second largest mining company in Brazil has formed a separate subsidiary for the development of renewable energy. The whole country of Brazil is involved in a massive renewable energy rollout.

Another thought aside from hearing that wine has been stored in the mine, would be for using or selling the mine space for safety to exist in the event of a nuclear fallout or a massive eruption from Yellowstone. As long as the water keeps flowing assuming that we will be running a hydroplant plant, the mine could be used for living quarters and growing food. In the event of such a catastrophe green could turn into another form of gold for shareholders as the unused mine tunnels could turn into quite a valuable asset.

Bringing up the possibility of disaster may not be popular but it is just part of rational planning.

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